{"id":66354,"date":"2023-12-14T07:34:38","date_gmt":"2023-12-14T12:34:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/?p=66354"},"modified":"2023-12-14T07:34:38","modified_gmt":"2023-12-14T12:34:38","slug":"todays-contemplation-collapse-cometh-xxxvii-decline-of-rationality","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/?p=66354","title":{"rendered":"Today\u2019s Contemplation: Collapse Cometh\u00a0XXXVII&#8211;Decline of &#8216;Rationality&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<section class=\"section section--body\">\n<div class=\"section-divider\">\n<hr class=\"section-divider\" \/>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"section-content\">\n<div class=\"section-inner sectionLayout--insetColumn\" style=\"text-align: left;\">\n<h3 class=\"graf graf--h3\">Today\u2019s Contemplation: Collapse Cometh\u00a0XXXVII<\/h3>\n<p>January 15, 2022<\/p>\n<figure class=\"graf graf--figure\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"graf-image\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-images-1.medium.com\/max\/600\/1*dzDzl7At_OTmJd_ZmHSjGA.jpeg\" data-image-id=\"1*dzDzl7At_OTmJd_ZmHSjGA.jpeg\" data-width=\"942\" data-height=\"636\" data-is-featured=\"true\" \/><figcaption class=\"imageCaption\">Teotihuacan, Mexico (1988) Photo by\u00a0author<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\"><strong class=\"markup--strong markup--p-strong\">Decline of \u2018Rationality\u2019<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">Got involved in a discussion after an Facebook Friend (Alice Friedemann, whose work can be seen <a class=\"markup--anchor markup--p-anchor\" href=\"http:\/\/www.energyskeptic.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-href=\"http:\/\/www.energyskeptic.com\/\">here<\/a>) posted a <a class=\"markup--anchor markup--p-anchor\" href=\"https:\/\/phys.org\/news\/2022-01-rationality-declined-decades.html?fbclid=IwAR2FRwpYxzBqvc4WkD7b5c1zvNlNLJcR9m4yiQwaXmhfwSdLcv3Mf3HKSCg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-href=\"https:\/\/phys.org\/news\/2022-01-rationality-declined-decades.html?fbclid=IwAR2FRwpYxzBqvc4WkD7b5c1zvNlNLJcR9m4yiQwaXmhfwSdLcv3Mf3HKSCg\">study<\/a> on the decline of \u2018rationality\u2019 over the past few decades.<\/p>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">My initial response was as follows:<\/p>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">My initial thought is that this shift is more the result of a paradigmatic shift in academia itself from \u2018Modernism\u2019 to \u2018Post-Modernism\u2019 that has slowly filtered into the mainstream than anything else. As a university student during the entire decade of the 1980s, I was exposed to A LOT of Post-Modernist philosophy that questioned \u2018Rationality\u2019. Off the top of my head I recall a number of the philosophies I was exposed to coming from such academics as: Roland Barthes, Jacques Derrida, Claude Levi-Strauss, Michel Foucault, Clifford Geertz, Friedrich Nietzche, Martin Heidigger, Jean-Paul Sartre, Stephen Jay Gould, G.W.F. Hegel, H.G. Gadamer, Thomas Kuhn, and Jurgen Habermas. The topics included: rationality, literary criticism, deconstruction, deconstructive criticism, hermeneutics, philology, metaphysics, and dialectics. These all reflected a questioning of the strict \u2018factual\u2019 or \u2018rational\u2019 universe at one level or another\u200a\u2014\u200aespecially the \u2018subjectivity\u2019 verses \u2018objectivity\u2019 aspects of \u2018science\u2019. Here\u2019s just a few of the books I still have in my dwindling collection:<\/p>\n<figure class=\"graf graf--figure\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"graf-image\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-images-1.medium.com\/max\/600\/1*jZHgRj8jiYfuz1WcOU-2Sg.png\" data-image-id=\"1*jZHgRj8jiYfuz1WcOU-2Sg.png\" data-width=\"234\" data-height=\"176\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<section class=\"section section--body\">\n<div class=\"section-divider\">\n<hr class=\"section-divider\" \/>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"section-content\">\n<div class=\"section-inner sectionLayout--insetColumn\">\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">The conversation has brought back some of my interests that arose during my university education (the ten years were in the pursuit of four degrees from biology\/physiology to psychology\/anthropology that culminated in an M.A. in archaeology and B.Ed. for a career in education; retired almost ten years now). It\u2019s been a while (decades) since I studied this stuff but here are my two cents on the topic:<\/p>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">There is definitely a difference between the hard\/physical sciences and the soft\/social ones. Measuring and observing chemical reactions, the movement of stars, or biological\/physiological properties then projecting their past and\/or future states is quite different then doing this when humans are involved in the equation, be it psychology, economics, history, etc..<\/p>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">Perhaps one of the reasons that the Post-Modern era occurred was the result of the social sciences attempting to legitimise their fields as \u2018science\u2019 in order to be taken more seriously. Regardless, I still believe humans cannot ever be \u2018objective\u2019, especially about themselves; there are just too many psychological mechanisms affecting our cognition. Then there are the \u2018incentives\u2019 that exist in research and academia that impact \u2018science\u2019; not only the interpretation of results but their use and distribution\/publication.<\/p>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">I also believe that as an endeavour practised by very fallible human beings science cannot help but be \u2018subjective\u2019 in nature. On more than one occasion we can see the exact same physical evidence being \u2018interpreted\u2019 in diametrically-opposed ways by \u2018experts\u2019 in the same field, and consensus, if it does occur, can sometimes take place as a result of persuasiveness and influence of a group rather than as a reflection of the evidence itself. This makes one of the more important aspects of science, the modelling of future states, even more problematic\u200a\u2014\u200ato say little about our \u2018interpretations\u2019 of past states.<\/p>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">Throw complexity, non-linearity, and chaos into the mix and everything becomes less prone to accurate modelling and interpretation, no matter how sophisticated or how much data is input. In fact, the more data and more complex the model the more prone it is to error, especially due to the assumptions that tend to get built into them. The smallest of input errors can result in the largest of output result errors.<\/p>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">Certainly there are some models and projections that are better than others and evidence leads to \u2018laws\u2019 that are for the most part, irrefutable; but for better or worse, science tends to work on probabilities and rarely absolutes, with the passage of time being the verification of how accurate the base assumptions and model are.<\/p>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">So, I think we need to be careful as Post-Modern thought is challenged and rejected that the pendulum doesn\u2019t swing too far the other way and as some are doing attempt to place science upon a pedestal from which it cannot be questioned or criticised, ever. I\u2019ve run into individuals who will not accept any questioning of \u2018science\u2019 or criticism of the endeavour. As soon as you pose a question you are labelled a \u2018denier\u2019 and ignored or attacked. Science is absolute, irrefutable, and always correct. Always.<\/p>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">One of the dangers I\u2019ve observed in an unquestioning faith in \u2018science\u2019 becomes the increasing leveraging of cherry-picked science by the ruling class to justify\/rationalise policy and\/or actions; something that has happened in the past and that we seem to be seeing more and more of with it being accompanied by the insistence that the policy\/action taken is absolutely correct, cannot be questioned, and anyone critical is anti-science, anti-rational, anti-government and should be silenced, ostracised, marginalised, deplatformed, etc., etc.. And it could very well be that the apparent increasing questioning of \u2018science\u2019 is the epiphenomenon of people questioning the ruling class, not necessarily the scientific process itself.<\/p>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">And while the above beliefs of mine may appear as anti-science to some I would argue they are not. They are simply critical awareness of the fact that science is an endeavour practised by very fallible human beings that live in a social world where they are pushed and pulled in numerous directions by a variety of forces that can and do influence the way they think and interpret their physical world. Add to this the (ab)use of \u2018science\u2019 by the ruling class and we have the perfect environment for controversy beyond a simple reflection about the human aspects of the practice of science.<\/p>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">We have to be very careful that science does not become a cult where its adherents are \u2018righteous\u2019 and \u2018better than the others\u2019 because of their \u2018correct\u2019 beliefs. That sounds an awful lot like using science to create a new religion to me.<\/p>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">I close with a passage near the beginning of an <a class=\"markup--anchor markup--p-anchor\" href=\"https:\/\/www.mdpi.com\/1996-1073\/14\/15\/4508\/htm?fbclid=IwAR2ISt5shfV4wpFEc8jxbQnrrxyllyvZP-xDnoHhWrjGTQRIqUNfk3hOK1g\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-href=\"https:\/\/www.mdpi.com\/1996-1073\/14\/15\/4508\/htm?fbclid=IwAR2ISt5shfV4wpFEc8jxbQnrrxyllyvZP-xDnoHhWrjGTQRIqUNfk3hOK1g\">article<\/a> on the idea of a \u2018renewable\u2019 energy transition by Professor Emeritus Dr. William Rees and Meghan Seibert that I believe is relevant:<\/p>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p graf--startsWithDoubleQuote\">\u201cWe begin with a reminder that humans are storytellers by nature. We socially construct complex sets of facts, beliefs, and values that guide how we operate in the world. Indeed, humans act out of their socially constructed narratives as if they were real. All political ideologies, religious doctrines, economic paradigms, cultural narratives\u200a\u2014\u200aeven scientific theories\u200a\u2014\u200aare socially constructed \u201cstories\u201d that may or may not accurately reflect any aspect of reality they purport to represent. Once a particular construct has taken hold, its adherents are likely to treat it more seriously than opposing evidence from an alternate conceptual framework.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<section class=\"section section--body\">\n<div class=\"section-divider\">\n<hr class=\"section-divider\" \/>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"section-content\">\n<div class=\"section-inner sectionLayout--insetColumn\">\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">A few \u2018related\u2019 articles:<\/p>\n<div class=\"graf graf--mixtapeEmbed\"><a class=\"markup--anchor markup--mixtapeEmbed-anchor\" title=\"https:\/\/thesenecaeffect.blogspot.com\/2021\/12\/the-rise-and-fall-of-scientism-do-we.html\" href=\"https:\/\/thesenecaeffect.blogspot.com\/2021\/12\/the-rise-and-fall-of-scientism-do-we.html\" data-href=\"https:\/\/thesenecaeffect.blogspot.com\/2021\/12\/the-rise-and-fall-of-scientism-do-we.html\"><strong class=\"markup--strong markup--mixtapeEmbed-strong\">The Rise and Fall of Scientism. Do we Need a new Religion?<\/strong><br \/>\n<em class=\"markup--em markup--mixtapeEmbed-em\">In 250 AD, Emperor Decius issued a law that obliged all Roman citizens to make public sacrifices to the traditional\u2026<\/em>thesenecaeffect.blogspot.com<\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"graf graf--mixtapeEmbed\"><a class=\"markup--anchor markup--mixtapeEmbed-anchor\" title=\"https:\/\/www.skeptical-science.com\/essays\/science-religion-richard-dawkins\/\" href=\"https:\/\/www.skeptical-science.com\/essays\/science-religion-richard-dawkins\/\" data-href=\"https:\/\/www.skeptical-science.com\/essays\/science-religion-richard-dawkins\/\"><strong class=\"markup--strong markup--mixtapeEmbed-strong\">Is Science a Religion? &#8211; Richard Dawkins * Skeptical Science<\/strong><br \/>\n<em class=\"markup--em markup--mixtapeEmbed-em\">Is Science a Religion? &#8211; Richard Dawkins The following article was first published in the Humanist, January\/February\u2026<\/em>www.skeptical-science.com<\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"graf graf--mixtapeEmbed\"><a class=\"markup--anchor markup--mixtapeEmbed-anchor\" title=\"https:\/\/thesenecaeffect.blogspot.com\/2021\/12\/the-twilight-of-narrative-why-truth.html\" href=\"https:\/\/thesenecaeffect.blogspot.com\/2021\/12\/the-twilight-of-narrative-why-truth.html\" data-href=\"https:\/\/thesenecaeffect.blogspot.com\/2021\/12\/the-twilight-of-narrative-why-truth.html\"><strong class=\"markup--strong markup--mixtapeEmbed-strong\">The Twilight of the Narrative: Why the Truth will never be Revealed<\/strong><br \/>\n<em class=\"markup--em markup--mixtapeEmbed-em\">Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I\u2026<\/em>thesenecaeffect.blogspot.com<\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"graf graf--mixtapeEmbed\"><a class=\"markup--anchor markup--mixtapeEmbed-anchor\" title=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/scientific-objectivity\/\" href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/scientific-objectivity\/\" data-href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/scientific-objectivity\/\"><strong class=\"markup--strong markup--mixtapeEmbed-strong\">Scientific Objectivity<\/strong><br \/>\n<em class=\"markup--em markup--mixtapeEmbed-em\">Objectivity is a value. To call a thing objective implies that it has a certain importance to us and that we approve of\u2026<\/em>plato.stanford.edu<\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"graf graf--mixtapeEmbed\"><a class=\"markup--anchor markup--mixtapeEmbed-anchor\" title=\"https:\/\/thesenecaeffect.blogspot.com\/2021\/11\/the-age-of-illiteracy-what-is-exactly.html\" href=\"https:\/\/thesenecaeffect.blogspot.com\/2021\/11\/the-age-of-illiteracy-what-is-exactly.html\" data-href=\"https:\/\/thesenecaeffect.blogspot.com\/2021\/11\/the-age-of-illiteracy-what-is-exactly.html\"><strong class=\"markup--strong markup--mixtapeEmbed-strong\">The Coming Age of Illiteracy: What Future for Science?<\/strong><br \/>\n<em class=\"markup--em markup--mixtapeEmbed-em\">One of the 16th century reliefs still existing at the monastery of in Tuscany. It is an early example of a purely\u2026<\/em>thesenecaeffect.blogspot.com<\/a><\/div>\n<p class=\"graf graf--p\">\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Today\u2019s Contemplation: Collapse Cometh\u00a0XXXVII January 15, 2022 Teotihuacan, Mexico (1988) Photo by\u00a0author Decline of \u2018Rationality\u2019 Got involved in a discussion after an Facebook Friend (Alice Friedemann, whose work can be seen here) posted a study on the decline of \u2018rationality\u2019 over the past few decades. 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