{"id":23850,"date":"2017-05-05T14:15:19","date_gmt":"2017-05-05T19:15:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/olduvai.ca\/?p=23850"},"modified":"2017-05-05T14:15:19","modified_gmt":"2017-05-05T19:15:19","slug":"why-we-should-be-concerned-about-low-oil-prices","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/?p=23850","title":{"rendered":"Why We Should Be Concerned About Low Oil Prices"},"content":{"rendered":"<h3 class=\"entry-title\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ourfiniteworld.com\/2017\/05\/05\/why-we-should-be-concerned-about-low-oil-prices\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">Why We Should Be Concerned About Low Oil\u00a0Prices<\/a><\/h3>\n<div class=\"entry-meta\">Most people assume that oil prices, and for that matter other energy prices, will rise as we reach limits. This isn\u2019t really the way the system works; oil prices can be expected to fall too low, as we reach limits. Thus, we should not be surprised if the OPEC\/Russia agreement to limit oil extraction falls apart, and oil prices fall further. This is the way the \u201cend\u201d is reached, not through high prices.<\/div>\n<div class=\"entry-content\">\n<p>I recently tried to explain how the energy-economy system works, including the strange way prices fall, rather than rise, as we reach limits, at a recent workshop in Brussels called \u201cNew Narratives of Energy and Sustainability.\u201d The talk was part of an \u201cInspirational Workshop Series\u201d sponsored by the Joint Research Centre of the European Commission.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_41874\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" data-shortcode=\"caption\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/mario-giampietro-and-vaclav-smil-in-empty-schuman-room-before-workshop-started.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-41874\" src=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/mario-giampietro-and-vaclav-smil-in-empty-schuman-room-before-workshop-started.jpg?w=640&amp;h=480\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/mario-giampietro-and-vaclav-smil-in-empty-schuman-room-before-workshop-started.jpg?w=640&amp;h=480 640w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/mario-giampietro-and-vaclav-smil-in-empty-schuman-room-before-workshop-started.jpg?w=1280&amp;h=960 1280w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/mario-giampietro-and-vaclav-smil-in-empty-schuman-room-before-workshop-started.jpg?w=150&amp;h=113 150w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/mario-giampietro-and-vaclav-smil-in-empty-schuman-room-before-workshop-started.jpg?w=300&amp;h=225 300w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/mario-giampietro-and-vaclav-smil-in-empty-schuman-room-before-workshop-started.jpg?w=768&amp;h=576 768w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/mario-giampietro-and-vaclav-smil-in-empty-schuman-room-before-workshop-started.jpg?w=1024&amp;h=768 1024w\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" data-attachment-id=\"41874\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/ourfiniteworld.com\/2017\/05\/05\/why-we-should-be-concerned-about-low-oil-prices\/mario-giampietro-and-vaclav-smil-in-empty-schuman-room-before-workshop-started\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/mario-giampietro-and-vaclav-smil-in-empty-schuman-room-before-workshop-started.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"4032,3024\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;2.2&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;iPhone 6s&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;1492679297&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;4.15&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;100&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0.03030303030303&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Mario Giampietro and Vaclav Smil in empty Schuman room, before workshop started\" data-image-description=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/mario-giampietro-and-vaclav-smil-in-empty-schuman-room-before-workshop-started.jpg?w=300\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/mario-giampietro-and-vaclav-smil-in-empty-schuman-room-before-workshop-started.jpg?w=640&amp;h=480\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Figure 1. Empty Schuman room of the Berlaymont European Commission building, shortly after we arrived. Photo shows Mario Giampietro and Vaclav Smil, who were the other speakers at the Inspirational Workshop. Attendees started arriving a few minutes later.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>My talk was titled, \u201cElephants in the Room Regarding Energy and the Economy.\u201d (<a href=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/tverberg_elephants-in-the-room-2017-v2.pdf\">PDF<\/a>) In this post, I show my slides and give a bit of commentary.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_41825\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" data-shortcode=\"caption\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/2-long-term-contradiction-growth-in-finite-world.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-41825\" src=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/2-long-term-contradiction-growth-in-finite-world.jpg?w=640&amp;h=466\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/2-long-term-contradiction-growth-in-finite-world.jpg?w=640&amp;h=466 640w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/2-long-term-contradiction-growth-in-finite-world.jpg?w=150&amp;h=109 150w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/2-long-term-contradiction-growth-in-finite-world.jpg?w=300&amp;h=218 300w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/2-long-term-contradiction-growth-in-finite-world.jpg?w=768&amp;h=559 768w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/2-long-term-contradiction-growth-in-finite-world.jpg 841w\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"466\" data-attachment-id=\"41825\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/ourfiniteworld.com\/2017\/05\/05\/why-we-should-be-concerned-about-low-oil-prices\/2-long-term-contradiction-growth-in-finite-world\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/2-long-term-contradiction-growth-in-finite-world.jpg?w=640&amp;h=466\" data-orig-size=\"841,612\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"2 Long term contradiction growth in finite world\" data-image-description=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/2-long-term-contradiction-growth-in-finite-world.jpg?w=640&amp;h=466?w=300\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/2-long-term-contradiction-growth-in-finite-world.jpg?w=640&amp;h=466?w=640\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Slide 2<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>The question, of course, is how this growth comes to an end.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_41826\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" data-shortcode=\"caption\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/3-my-approach.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-41826\" src=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/3-my-approach.png?w=640&amp;h=414\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/3-my-approach.png?w=640&amp;h=414 640w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/3-my-approach.png?w=150&amp;h=97 150w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/3-my-approach.png?w=300&amp;h=194 300w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/3-my-approach.png?w=768&amp;h=497 768w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/3-my-approach.png 883w\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"414\" data-attachment-id=\"41826\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/ourfiniteworld.com\/2017\/05\/05\/why-we-should-be-concerned-about-low-oil-prices\/3-my-approach\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/3-my-approach.png?w=640&amp;h=414\" data-orig-size=\"883,571\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"3 My approach\" data-image-description=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/3-my-approach.png?w=640&amp;h=414?w=300\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/3-my-approach.png?w=640&amp;h=414?w=640\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Slide 3<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>I have been aided in my approach by the internet and by the insights of many commenters to my blog posts.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_41828\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" data-shortcode=\"caption\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/4-two-types-of-maps-needed-in-this-world.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-41828\" src=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/4-two-types-of-maps-needed-in-this-world.jpg?w=640&amp;h=498\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/4-two-types-of-maps-needed-in-this-world.jpg?w=640&amp;h=498 640w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/4-two-types-of-maps-needed-in-this-world.jpg?w=150&amp;h=117 150w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/4-two-types-of-maps-needed-in-this-world.jpg?w=300&amp;h=233 300w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/4-two-types-of-maps-needed-in-this-world.jpg?w=768&amp;h=597 768w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/4-two-types-of-maps-needed-in-this-world.jpg 850w\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"498\" data-attachment-id=\"41828\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/ourfiniteworld.com\/2017\/05\/05\/why-we-should-be-concerned-about-low-oil-prices\/4-two-types-of-maps-needed-in-this-world\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/4-two-types-of-maps-needed-in-this-world.jpg?w=640&amp;h=498\" data-orig-size=\"850,661\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"4 Two types of maps needed in this world\" data-image-description=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/4-two-types-of-maps-needed-in-this-world.jpg?w=640&amp;h=498?w=300\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/4-two-types-of-maps-needed-in-this-world.jpg?w=640&amp;h=498?w=640\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Slide 4<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>We all recognize that our way of visualizing distances must change, when we are dealing with a finite world.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_41829\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\" data-shortcode=\"caption\"><a href=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/5-economists-have-not-discovered-need-for-different-situation-near-limits.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-41829\" src=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/5-economists-have-not-discovered-need-for-different-situation-near-limits.png?w=640&amp;h=470\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/5-economists-have-not-discovered-need-for-different-situation-near-limits.png?w=640&amp;h=470 640w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/5-economists-have-not-discovered-need-for-different-situation-near-limits.png?w=150&amp;h=110 150w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/5-economists-have-not-discovered-need-for-different-situation-near-limits.png?w=300&amp;h=220 300w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/5-economists-have-not-discovered-need-for-different-situation-near-limits.png?w=768&amp;h=564 768w, https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/5-economists-have-not-discovered-need-for-different-situation-near-limits.png 840w\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"470\" data-attachment-id=\"41829\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/ourfiniteworld.com\/2017\/05\/05\/why-we-should-be-concerned-about-low-oil-prices\/5-economists-have-not-discovered-need-for-different-situation-near-limits\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/5-economists-have-not-discovered-need-for-different-situation-near-limits.png?w=640&amp;h=470\" data-orig-size=\"840,617\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"5 Economists have not discovered need for different situation near limits\" data-image-description=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/5-economists-have-not-discovered-need-for-different-situation-near-limits.png?w=640&amp;h=470?w=300\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/gailtheactuary.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/05\/5-economists-have-not-discovered-need-for-different-situation-near-limits.png?w=640&amp;h=470?w=640\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Slide 5<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>&#8230;click on the above link to read the rest of the article&#8230;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Why We Should Be Concerned About Low Oil\u00a0Prices Most people assume that oil prices, and for that matter other energy prices, will rise as we reach limits. This isn\u2019t really the way the system works; oil prices can be expected to fall too low, as we reach limits. Thus, we should not be surprised if [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[1233,588,592,595,600,1232,694],"class_list":["post-23850","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-energy-2","tag-gail-tverberg","tag-oil","tag-oil-price","tag-oil-production","tag-opec","tag-our-finite-world","tag-russia"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23850","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=23850"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23850\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":23851,"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23850\/revisions\/23851"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=23850"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=23850"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=23850"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}