{"id":11461,"date":"2015-08-25T07:04:39","date_gmt":"2015-08-25T12:04:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/olduvai.ca\/?p=11461"},"modified":"2015-08-25T07:21:17","modified_gmt":"2015-08-25T12:21:17","slug":"11461","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/?p=11461","title":{"rendered":"The Limits to Growth in the Soviet Union and in Russia: the story of a failure"},"content":{"rendered":"<h3 class=\"post-title entry-title\"><a href=\"http:\/\/cassandralegacy.blogspot.ca\/2015\/08\/the-limits-to-growth-in-soviet-union.html\" target=\"_blank\">The Limits to Growth in the Soviet Union and in Russia: the story of a failure<\/a><\/h3>\n<div class=\"post-header\">\n<div class=\"post-header-line-1\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/_dClxq-8M54\" width=\"420\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"post-body-4501602296850223330\" class=\"post-body entry-content\">\n<div dir=\"ltr\">Above, you can see the full recording of a 2012 lecture given in Moscow by Dennis Meadows; one of the authors of &#8220;The Limits to Growth&#8221; report of 1972. It is long, more than an hour, but &#8211; if you don&#8217;t have the time to watch all of it &#8211; I suggest that you go to minute 21 and watch Dennis Meadows showing this book.<\/p>\n<div class=\"separator\"><a href=\"http:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-H_3ftIx9z3E\/VcJEwGTAv4I\/AAAAAAAAO48\/HZAHndU9VCo\/s1600\/Gelovani.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-H_3ftIx9z3E\/VcJEwGTAv4I\/AAAAAAAAO48\/HZAHndU9VCo\/s1600\/Gelovani.jpg\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<p>It is titled &#8220;Soviet Union and Russia in the global system.&#8221; According to Meadows, in the 1980s, Viktor Gelovani, first author of the book, adapted to the Soviet Union the world model used for &#8220;The Limits to Growth&#8221; and he ran it; finding that the Soviet Union was going to collapse. Then, Meadows says &#8220;<i>he went to the leadership of the country and he said, &#8216;my forecast shows that you don&#8217;t have any possibility. You have to change your policies.&#8217; And the leader said, &#8216;no, we have another possibility: you can change your forecast'&#8221;<\/i><br \/>\n<i><br \/>\n<\/i>Meadows&#8217; anecdote is basically confirmed by\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/8584394\/Toward_a_Joint_Future_beyond_the_Iron_Curtain_The_East-West_Politics_of_Global_Modelling\" target=\"_blank\">Rindzevi\u010di\u016bt\u0117<\/a>, who wrote an excellent article that tells the whole story. It turns out that it is not true that &#8220;The Limits to Growth&#8221; was ignored in the Soviet Union, as it could be the impression from the documents available in the West. The &#8220;Limits&#8221; study was translated into Russian, although it was distributed only to very limited circles (generating, by the way, a brisk black market, as\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/8584394\/Toward_a_Joint_Future_beyond_the_Iron_Curtain_The_East-West_Politics_of_Global_Modelling\" target=\"_blank\">Rindzeviciute<\/a>\u00a0describes at\u00a0p. 6). Several Soviet scientists knew very well the study, they had contacts with its authors and a number of them made a considerable effort to warn the Union&#8217;s leadership that the system was going to collapse. They didn&#8217;t have much success, as Meadows says in his talk.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\">\n<p>&#8230;click on the above link to read the rest of the article&#8230;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Limits to Growth in the Soviet Union and in Russia: the story of a failure Above, you can see the full recording of a 2012 lecture given in Moscow by Dennis Meadows; one of the authors of &#8220;The Limits to Growth&#8221; report of 1972. It is long, more than an hour, but &#8211; if [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[150,8431,485,3512,694,742,2692],"class_list":["post-11461","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-survival-2","tag-collapse","tag-dennis-meadows","tag-limits-to-growth","tag-resource-crisis","tag-russia","tag-soviet-union","tag-ugo-bardi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11461","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=11461"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11461\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":11463,"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11461\/revisions\/11463"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=11461"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=11461"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/olduvai.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=11461"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}